Posted on: February 08, 2021

Are you new to the wholesaling business and are unsure how to start doing it or what doing business is like in an area? Then you need to seek help from experts to stay afloat! Having a Joint Venture (JV) partner is the ultimate secret weapon to shorten your learning curve for starters at wholesaling. Today’s guest, Roger Godwin, will help the listeners crystallize the idea through sharing his experiences and some advice on doing business with a JV partner.

In today’s episode, Roger will talk about how it is like to be a JV partner, his way to becoming the ultimate connector, and tips on finding the right JV partner. He will also talk about the importance of people in doing the business and helping people while earning. Finally, he will talk about how he rose from his difficulties through his organizations.

Listen to this fascinating topic, especially for those who need help in starting the business and finding the purpose of doing business. Hit that play button to know about it!

Key Takeaways

  • How Roger started with real estate
  • How he became Lauren’s JV partner
  • Roger as the ultimate connector
  • The importance of spending time with people to get deals
  • On finding a JV partner like roger for newbies to get the best in deals
  • Breaking down micro the $63,000 deal
  • The importance of a Settlement Statement
  • The three questions to ask in finding the right JV partner
  • Roger’s empathy for people: an acquisition story to help a client
  • His organizations: Outside the Box and Equipping Leaders Network

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Episode Transcription

Lauren Hardy:
What’s up, Rhino Tribe? This is Lauren Hardy and you are listening to the Wholesaling Inc podcast. I am so excited today because today I have my favorite JV partner. His name is Roger Godwin, and he’s with us to talk about how having a JV partner in your back pocket is your secret weapon to shortening your learning curve when you are brand new at wholesaling. So, Roger, welcome to the show.

Roger Godwin:
Hey, what’s up, Lauren, and what’s up, people? Nice to be here.

Lauren Hardy:
I’m excited to have you. The reason I am excited is more for my coaching students, because a module in my course is all about working with JV partners, joint venture partners. I believe that if you, as a new investor, either brand new to wholesaling, brand new to investing, or brand new to a territory, you need a JV partner. And I always use you as an example because you were my JV.

Roger Godwin:
Here I am, people.

Lauren Hardy:
And this is him. Everybody thinks Roger is this maybe mythical creature I made up. No, Roger does exist. Here’s right here.

Roger Godwin:
What’s up, people? What’s going on?

Lauren Hardy:
So, Roger, tell me about you. When did you get started in real estate?

Roger Godwin:
So, I got started in real estate probably, so my dad was still alive, so about 11 years ago is whenever I first got into it. I was actually being trained and taught how to do real estate, and I didn’t know it, by a gentleman that took me on whenever I was 18 years old. And we did properties, he bought them, we fixed them. He showed me how he did the rentals, how he did all that stuff. He did everything cash. So, five years ago, whenever I really got into real estate here in Oklahoma, I realized that you can leverage. That was amazing because I bought my first property:cash. So, that was really cool to realize I didn’t have to put it all up.
So, five years ago, I got into it much heavier. Being in construction, I was able to actually double-dip, for lack of a better term. I had a construction company, so I was able to figure out what it really costs to fix the houses. I’m like, “Oh, and I got a house to sell you.” So, that’s how I really actually got into it in this market, is I became the contractor that would actually follow through and be able to be the fixer for the house that I sold them, and other houses.

Lauren Hardy:
Ah, so you were working under the capacity of you are a wholesaler, but you also would get the construction business if a house flipper or a landlord buyer bought the home?

Roger Godwin:
Yep.

Lauren Hardy:
Very cool.

Roger Godwin:
Double-dipped.

Lauren Hardy:
Yeah. And you ended up being pretty well-known. So, the way I found you, and I’ll never forget, was someone suggested I needed a JV partner. What happened was, I came to Oklahoma bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. I didn’t really know what to expect, and I worked the Oklahoma market trying to wholesale deals for about six months and I was not having a lot of success. I think I did about two deals. I was super frustrated. I was looking around and I was seeing a bunch of people doing deals, but for some reason, I could not figure out the market at all. And a friend of mine had said, “Why don’t you get a JV partner out there? There must be something to the market that you don’t understand, and you need someone who really gets that market. There must be a nuance. There must be something that you’re not getting.” He couldn’t have been more right. I was coming from a flipper mentality. I worked high in markets like California, so I was using flipper numbers for these.

Roger Godwin:
No.

Lauren Hardy:
I was not familiar with landlord markets and how to price a property for a landlord buyer, so I was screwing up offer pricing, and I really didn’t know what I was doing. So, I posted on the local Oklahoma Real Estate Investment Association’s Facebook page. And I said, “I’ve got some contracts I’m working on. I need somebody to help me move them. Do you know anybody who’s got a great buyer’s list and would be interested in working with me?” I got a bunch of replies.
Some people were, “I do it, I do it.” But a couple people, I would say three people tagged you. They said, “You should call Roger. He knows everyone. He’s the guy.” So, I had recommendations. You were recommended by a few people, so I scheduled a time to talk to you. And I remember, I think it was a Sunday. We both were with our kids. You were so down to earth, you had this collaborative mindset. We just got each other. I knew you’d be great to work with. And I was honest with you, I said, “Listen, we’re trying to build our own presence here. We’re not going to be married to each other, but this will probably be good for four or five [deals 00:05:46].” And you were cool with it. And what happened from then on?

Roger Godwin:
So, from then on, I know that you got [inaudible 00:05:55] working with you and all that, and I was able to be the ground, and having that understanding, and having the connections that I have here in Oklahoma. I mean, everybody knows me. It’s a thing. That’s one of my goals in life. My mentor, the guy that taught me how to do real estate and construction, that man is the man I want to be when I’m older. And he can’t walk anywhere, he can’t go to a store, he can’t go eat at a restaurant without somebody knowing who he is, or saying, “Hey, Phil.” So, I just really, really admired that. And I worked with him for almost 10 years, and people matter. I have with my tag on my social media, spending time with people is never wasted time, period.
And because of that, I have an opportunity to get to know people. With a lot of the deals that I’ve done in Oklahoma, it’s a phone call. I even had one just yesterday. Somebody called me to go look at a deal that she had. That was not a deal. The floors are falling in because of termites, but there was a house two doors down that’s for sale by owner, and the guy wants 72, it’s all fixed up, ready to go. I’m going to move it to another investor for 81, ready to go. And I made a phone call, and it’s gone.

Lauren Hardy:
Oh, I remember, I think it was our first deal or second deal, and we both surprised ourselves. This house, I think we got it under contract, and I’m funny about remembering these prices, as many as we’ve done. I think we got it under contract for $18,000 or $15,000. It was this piece of crap house.

Roger Godwin:
Yep.

Lauren Hardy:
And it could rent for 500 bucks, and it needed a ton of work. It was a gross looking home. And at first, like me and [inaudible 00:07:39], being not from the area, we were like, “What type of person would buy this home? It is a piece.” And it was tiny. It was, I remember thinking, I think it was 600 square feet. It was the tiniest little thing. And we took it to you. Now, you found a unique interest in this neighborhood with a certain community of people, and they had a very unique interest, and they were willing to pay practically market price for this home. All cash. And we made, I think an $18,000 wholesale fee on that thing together.

Roger Godwin:
Yeah. It was pretty fun.

Lauren Hardy:
It was pretty fun. And it was pretty easy too. It wasn’t even that hard. And it was because you knew people. You are the ultimate disposition wholesaler.

Roger Godwin:
I like to call myself the ultimate connector.

Lauren Hardy:
You are, you are. And it was for you. I remember it was because you had a relationship with someone else who had the buyers of this community.

Roger Godwin:
Yep. Absolutely. Well, and it’s knowing those people. And whenever you’re virtual, because you’re a virtual monster. I mean, that’s what you do. And [inaudible 00:08:50], the way you guys have everything done, the way you teach your students, it’s fantastic. And having somebody like me on the ground, and you guys have hired people to be on the ground here for you now, but those people need to be able to network and talk with people. And I’ve been training some people that keep coming to me, it’s like, “How do you do this?” “Go meet people. That’s it, go meet people.” And if you’re trying to get deals, go to places where there’s nobody else like you. Every other networking event in Oklahoma City, in Tulsa, whatever it is, there’s no other real estate investor there.
There’s also no other contractor in them either. That’s how I figured that one out. You can’t go to real estate meetings and expect to get deals. You might be able to JV with somebody, but if you’re trying to build your own thing and trying to get your own deals, that’s the best way. I did 33 deals last year, and I talked to about 120 people give or take

Lauren Hardy:
That’s crazy. Do you do any acquisitions or Legion? It’s all… So people hand you contracts.

Roger Godwin:
All word of mouth.

Lauren Hardy:
Absolutely. And you, you are proof that if that’s all people want to do, I mean, you can make a business that way. I wish personally, for my virtual students, that I had a Roger in every territory. If you are listening to this and you feel like you identify with Roger and you’ve got that buyer base and you are the connector, I want you guys to personally reach out to me and let me know your market because I have students that are looking for the Roger in every territory.

Roger Godwin:
I like that. The Roger.

Lauren Hardy:
I say that all the time and I literally say, find your Roger,

Roger Godwin:
That’s it baby? Oh, yes. I’m excited about this, Lauren.

Lauren Hardy:
The pistachio buyer. Plus the Roger thing. That’s people are like, who’s Roger. So in that deal example, if we try to move that deal ourselves, I think we would have gotten maybe 7,000 bucks. We didn’t really know what we were doing. You opened up a buyer base of pistachio buyers that have weak interests. And that’s how we got $18,000. So my students — everyone’s first inclination is to try to move a deal on their own and find their own buyers and their own buyers list. And they’re all brand new. So their buyer, like they’re scrambling trying to find a buyer, right. And they talked to five buyers and they get like maybe two offers out of the five and it’s yeah. $7,000 wholesale fee and a $3,000 wholesale fee. Or you can make that call to Roger, who has an established buyer base. And he’s the connector. He knows… you were able to identify the best opportunity in that deal. And we made 18.

Roger Godwin:
Yeah, absolutely. Well, and I’ll tell you what too. We had a, this year or 2020 was fantastic for me. I don’t know what it was for a lot of people. I’m sorry. A lot of people didn’t have a good year last year, but it was literally the best financial year and time with my family that I’ve ever had. And we’re very specific. And we talked to people with the tax auction here in Oklahoma and we targeted a couple of people to reach out, to, on, to speak with. One of my deals is going to close. Finally, we had to do a double probate on it. We’ll clear a $63,000 wholesale fee.

Lauren Hardy:
Dang. Did you work just disposition on that site or were you at like acquisition as well?

Roger Godwin:
So let me tell you a little bit about this. So

Lauren Hardy:
Yeah. Break the deal down micro, like my listeners want to hear it. They want to hear what is the $63,000 deal? How’s it look?

Roger Godwin:
Okay. So first of all, I have this wonderful girl that works with me. Her name is Christine [inaudible 00:12:34] , and she’s here in Oklahoma city and she’s a fan of yours by the way. She’s like, Oh my gosh, this lady is like, it’s Lauren, like we were buddies, we said, what’s up, you know. You’re a big deal, apparently. So it’s like, I’m a fan. So anyways, I have Christine as my partner and she’s like me, she’s a female me. She loves to reach out to people, love on people and all that stuff. And she wanted to do things to actually do acquisitions. So she put letters on doors, handwritten letters, handwritten on the envelope, just reaching out to people that had a certain need. And with that certain need, I think three months after the auction was over. So it was for the tax option. Three months after that was done, they found our letter in a box and they called us.
They called her. So they called her and we went to go meet with the guy. This was his childhood home. Brother’s living in California, somewhere. His wife passed away. And so he’s actually engaged to his childhood sweetheart that lived down the street from him in this house growing up. So there’s a lot of them. So with that, listening to the emotional attachment, I spent probably me personally, I spent about two and a half hours within the first time I met them, just talking and listening and he’s a cancer survivor and just told all the story. And he wasn’t really sure if he wanted to sell it, really. Had the brother in California and all that. So talk to him again. We were going to do a deal to where we were going to help him finance it. So we’re going to buy it. We were going to finance the rehab on it and then we’re going to sell it back to them.
So that’s what we were going to do. So because they didn’t have the money to do it. They didn’t have, you know, cause they don’t understand the financing and how that stuff works. Plus they don’t have a crew. So we agreed, Hey, we’ll buy it for this much. We’ll fix it up and we’ll sell it back to you for this much. And his brother ended up passing away in this time period that we’ve been talking and he’s finally like, you know what? I want to start my entire life over me and my fiance. I want to go do this. So we just want to sell it to you. So we decided that we’re going to go ahead and buy it. And we took it under contract for 90 and we’re selling it for a 153.

Lauren Hardy:
Who’s the end buyer that you’re selling it to. Is it a landlord or is it a flipper or is it just a retail? Flipper. Okay.

Roger Godwin:
Yeah. And it’s a friend of ours and it’s somebody that met his criteria because we know, so this is a vintage 1950s, like later 1950s, gorgeous house. Well taken care of like, if you go into That 70’s Show and like, think about what that kind of looks like, like the retro, the tile and all that stuff is fantastic. So we know because of talking with him, I knew what his style was. I knew where his numbers were because of having conversation with him. So he’s the first call we make and it’s the only call I have to make.

Lauren Hardy:
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. You do really know like all of your end buyers very well. So you don’t have to mess around with too many people. And that’s what I loved about it. I really appreciated when I did deals with you is we didn’t really have to deal with having too many eyes on our property. It was just smooth and seamless because you worked with people that performed. There was always this kind of confidence that you would make the deal happen. There are a lot of JVs out there that I could warn you about that are the Daisy chainers of the world, we call them, they will say they have a buyer, but they really don’t. They’ll even tie it up. They’ll say, Oh, I have a buyer. Let’s put it under this LLC. They’ll sign an assignment agreement and everything. And then they won’t perform. And it’s the craziest.

Roger Godwin:
No, it is. So I have a really good answer for that. So, and I need to send you this document that I have, it’s called a settlement statement. So we had a situation where an attorney, a Tulsa had a deal tied up in Oklahoma city and it was just didn’t trust the people because we know kind of how they do business. So I had to call my attorney was like hey we have this under contract because this guy put earnest money and had it under contract, had a cloud on it from over a year ago. And because my partner’s honest and he reached out and was like, Hey, we got this deal. What do you want to do? Well, we couldn’t get them do anything. And they’re like, well, here sign our JV agreement. And then we get this. But his JV agreement stated that at any time he could cancel it or we could cancel it without the approval of the other.
So like, Hmm. So you’re talking about like the day before you can cancel me. No, I’m not doing that. So I had my attorney write up a settlement statement to where it stayed underneath ours. They had the agreement, everything goes to the title company. And then you’re also not tied to them. If anybody has ever audited a JV agreement is not a good thing to have because you’re held accountable for taxes. So with a settlement statement, because that joint venture is a deal like that’s a certified like company, according to the IRS, but with a settlement statement, that’s how you do the agreement between their company and your company.

Lauren Hardy:
Yeah. Well, a lot of people ask me, do you have a JV agreement? No, don’t we would just put it on every assignment agreement. We basically did that. We would settle it all the assignment. We never had a JV agreement. Yeah. There’s a lot of ways that it can go a little wonky if you get the wrong JV. So that’s why I want to talk a little bit, you know, about getting the right JV. So obviously like Roger’s the right JV. I mean, you can hear from just speaking to Roger, I mean, can you hear how sincere he is? Obviously you hear it, like you’re talking about, you just talked about some acquisition stuff. I always tell my team, you need to be empathetic. You are so empathetic. I always tell my team, I want to know what the seller’s cat’s name is. I want to see all my CRM that you took the time to know that seller and their situation.
You need to know and be friends with that seller because it is a people first business. Yes, we do need to make sure that we’re problem solvers and that we’re thinking of other people we’re really trying to help people. So, I mean, that’s a amazing story of how you help that guy. I hope that our listeners can be inspired by that. So I think when you speak with the JV, you know, you hear it in Roger’s voice, how sincere Roger is, and then there are times where you speak to JVs and it’s a little questionable and you’re really not so sure. It really is a bit of a gut feel. When you talk to a… You’re a connector, you talked to a lot of people, right? There’s a gut feel about.

Roger Godwin:
So with that, whenever it comes to other people that I’m willing to do work with and willing to partner with, there are certain people here in Oklahoma city. It does not matter how good the deal is. I will not do a deal with them, period, because I know how they are.

Lauren Hardy:
Reputation small, you know, even Oklahoma city is a million plus population in the Metro. It gets around.

Roger Godwin:
It is, [inaudible 00:19:39] it is. So with that, yes, it’s a gut feeling, but I love to ask questions. So anybody that I do deals with the only reason why I go to real estate meetings or make sure to have lunch with people is because I want to know if they’re a wholesaler, I’m going to go and meet and talk with them and find out what is their why. I need to know. Are you about money? Are you about people? Are you about goals? Are you about learning? Right. So if you are only about money, I’m going to buy all this stuff with all this money I’m making, I’m out. How are you servin people? I don’t, I just kind of do my own thing. You’re out.

Lauren Hardy:
Right?

Roger Godwin:
So there’s certain criteria that I have for myself, for me to work with anybody. And I was going to share something with you.
And this may be kind of for like the last part of it. But I have three questions that I ask in a specific order to every seller. What is the future going to be for you after you’ve chosen to sell this house? What is the dream? Are you going to go on vacation? Are you going to buy a new home? Are you going to move? What is it? Second question is, why did you call me? What got you to the point of needing for me to be here? What has happened that I’m even in your home right now? And then the third one is what can I do from right now until we close? Because that gives excitement for the future that gives pain for the past. And that gives relief for right now.

Lauren Hardy:
I love that.

Roger Godwin:
And you get every single question that you need from those three questions. Every answer that you need.

Lauren Hardy:
Oh, absolutely. In your first call, if that’s all you asked you, you just hang up, you don’t need to know the age of the AC. You don’t need to know. I mean, it’s amazing, you know, what people junk up the first call with, right? Yes. You know, they just junk up with, okay. So tell me a little bit about the condition and like and it’s like, no, ask these questions, figure out, what’s really bothering them. What’s keeping them up at night and how you can solve their problems.

Roger Godwin:
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 3:
Really. That’s what you’re there for. Like us as investors, we are in the business of finding deeply discounted deals, right? That’s how we make money but we need to earn that. We need to solve a problem for that. We have a duty to that seller to solve a problem to earn that.

Roger Godwin:
Yeah. Let me share one more acquisition story. So this is another deal that I did with Christine and I shared it at my event that I did last month. So really nice area. Again, another tax lien situation, the lady almost lost her grandmother’s house and her mother’s house because she couldn’t come up with $200 to take off the tax auction. And she was going to have to miss her car payment and just all kinds of stuff. So we went to her, talk to her, she was working at Walmart. We met her at Panera for coffee and found out what the story was. That’s what the situation was. She could not come up with. She was so embarrassed that she couldn’t ask anybody for any more money. Cause she’s been asking just to survive all of these years. So we found out what the problem was and we were going to buy the house.
And then we were going to sell orr finance it back to her. Hey, 600 bucks a month for 10 years, the house can be yours again for X amount that we’re going to invest. We’re going to fix it up. Nothing in between the time that we were supposed to close her husband, which we didn’t know her as her husband. Cause we had to do the probate because we were going to go out and do that deal. So we did the probate, her husband beat her, went to jail.

Lauren Hardy:
Wow.

Roger Godwin:
Yeah. Crazy situation. One of her main things that she wanted was to fix her teeth and she told us that she was in a car accident. It turns out it was a car accident. There’s just this crazy story behind it. But anyways, during that time, husband went to jail, found out her husband was getting out of jail, so we needed to hide her.
And so I put up $10,000 for about three months to be able to house her, bought her a car, like all these things to make sure that she and her two kids could be okay.

Lauren Hardy:
Oh wow.

Roger Godwin:
And then I got that money back plus interest at closing. But on that deal we made around, I think we made around $40,000 on that one, I think. But the main thing about it is that we were able to help her with her situation. And because we,… I have liquid cash to be able to help solve those problems. And it’s not the first one I’ve done it. Seven times of giving cash upfront to help them survive, get the things done. They need to get done because that’s the question because I sincerely mean from right now, we signed a contract until we close. What do you need?

Lauren Hardy:
That’s the thing. And that makes us different from what realtors can do. You don’t really see when you’re selling your house on the market. You don’t…realtors aren’t going to do that for you. That’s why I do truly believe that there is a place for wholesalers or real estate investors that are marketing direct to seller because we can take sellers that are in the situations where a market sale just does not work for them and isn’t going to solve their problems.

Roger Godwin:
Not at all. And we’re battling some stuff in the state legislature here in Oklahoma and those stories as well as their stories from hundreds of other deals that other partners that I have done and a realtor couldn’t give money. Like that’s coercion. Like you can do that. It’s against the regulations of being a realtor. But if we didn’t help her come up with and pay for that one year with the taxes, she would’ve lost her home. A realtor can’t do that.

Lauren Hardy:
Nope. That’s the thing is you guys can think creatively with deals. You can think creatively, there are ways that you, if you have the money that you can lend the seller of the money and still protect your position in it. You can protect your position in it. You can file something to lean the property to ensure that you get paid back. But I’ve done that myself. We’ve done a lot of different things with tenants sellers as well, releasing funds to help them move stuff like that. Getting a mover out there, we’ve done stuff like that, got movers out there to help them move, help hoarders with just, hey, leave everything so you can start fresh and clean. Leave everything. Whereas a realtor wouldn’t really be able to do that. So there is definitely a place. And I think the amount of empathy you have for people is the reason why you’re successful, Roger. Why don’t you tell everybody? Cause you’re very philanthropic. Tell everybody about your…you have an organization or you, you have something, right?

Roger Godwin:
Yeah, I do. So I have an organization called Outside the Box and Equipping Leaders Network and with Equipping Leaders Network, that’s also our YouTube channel. So where I bring in people and we interview them and it’s so fun to do because you get to hear people’s stories because everybody has a story that someone’s going to get a golden nugget from. And it’s just that aha moment, right? So people don’t know, they did hundred deals in their first year, buying them, flipping them or renting them. Doesn’t think that he has a story. Like I got questions, but I’ve got to go to, I almost declared bankruptcy, almost got divorced about three years ago, just a really hard time. And I took a year off. I shut down my construction company and I just went to go work for a friend of mine for a year. And I really needed that year to just reset. January of 2019.
He asked me, what are your goals for this year? And I said, I don’t know, but I’m going overseas to go back into the mission field. I’ve never been a full-time missionary by any means, but I want to build churches many, many years ago. And that was my heart. I was in construction. I can go build stuff. And over the last 10 years I’ve been a DJ. I’ve been an emcee at many ceremonies. I’ve been, I can marry people, give me in front of a microphone. I’m good. Right. So I don’t know what I’m doing. I just know that I’m going overseas somewhere to get back into the mission field, to do what I’m called to do. A lot of people have their backyard as their mission. A lot of people have the country as a mission and I have a heart for the international mission.
So I got the opportunity to go be a guest speaker in Kenya for a conference in Nairobi. And during that time I was adopted as the Morongo Canyon. So the white Canyon and it was fantastic. The people that I met, there’s a couple of pastors that I invest in right now. But the reason why I was asked to go there was to go and speak to a group of 10 young entrepreneurs. And at this point in time, I’m still mentoring them as well as helped three pastors get on their feet to have a sustainable business so that they don’t have to work or their wives, or most of the time in different countries in Africa, the wives are the ones that take care of the finances so the pastors can pastor. So I’ve been able to help create a sustainable businesses with them because they understand their market.
They know what they needed to do. One has a catering company. One has a little storefront and then one’s a chicken farmer, but that’s what they do. And then the foreigners do some other things. But anyway, so that’s what I do. I go over there, I speak and I do leadership conferences and I got invited back in October as well to go do a… I was a keynote speaker at Daystar university and got to interview people from 15 different countries at another event in Nairobi. And I’m just able to talk and I’m able to say, Hey, these are things that I do to help. And it really made a huge impact on this. Another guy, Moses, in Uganda. And he is just blowing and going, working with farmers and creating a sustainable income for them. So that’s what I’m about for that. Long-winded.

Lauren Hardy:
no, I mean, it’s amazing. You’re very philanthropic and it, I mean, it also shows in your real estate business, how you’re here to help sellers and here at wholesaling, Inc. We really promote that. You know, we really are here to serve. So you are a perfect example of somebody that is a part of our tribe and really speaks to what we’re about. So we’re so glad to have you today. How can people find you if they want to get ahold of you? If they have deals in Oklahoma or if they just want more, I don’t know, help with being the man, being the Roger to every territory. How can people get ahold of you?

Roger Godwin:
I appreciate that. Well, you guys can find me at Roger Godwin and it’s a picture of me in a gray suit with a pink shirt on Facebook. Real men wear pink. That’s right. Real men wear pink. I also have Equipping Leaders Network and Outside the Box. Equipping Leaders Network is our YouTube channel. And also our Facebook. I think I have Equipping Leaders Network also on Instagram. Yes. I’ll send you the stuff.

Lauren Hardy:
We’ll put those in the show notes. You send it to me, but Roger, we’re so glad to have you and thank you so much for the help that you provided for my company. If it wasn’t for you, I don’t know if I would have been able to make it in Oklahoma. So I am super grateful for having met you and you know, I hope that there could be more Rodgers in every territory.

Roger Godwin:
Yes, absolutely. I’ll be happy to help and teach about what I do. And because I get to do a lot more deals than most people because it’s word of mouth one, but two, I can offer more money cause I don’t have the overhead that most people do. So it’s just kind of a benefit, but thank you Lauren so much for having me on and just, it’s such a pleasure to see you again. Hey, students listened to her if you know what you’re talking about.

Lauren Hardy:
Yeah. And about that you guys, if you guys are interested in going virtual the same way I did remember to check out www.virtualinvestingmastery.com. That’s my coaching program. If you guys applied there, somebody on the Wholesaling Inc. Team will get back to you very soon. All right, Roger. Well, that’s it for today. Thank you so much for coming on.

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